An angry post by a senior to my views on alumni group regarding not inviting teachers to the list. To be honest, I found the mail an interesting read :). Here it goes:
Mr Aditya Pandey,
This letter is not at all to argue on to enroll some teacher or not. Basically, If they want to join, can someone stop?So, thats not that important to me to here- they join on request or voluntarily.
What TORTURES me here MOST is the Irresponsible words you have used for Vijay Mam - "I found her dictatorial"!!!
I am TOTALLY SHAKEN and frustrated by such fraud words, you have used for a Mam who is a live symbol of Honesty and Discipline and sincerity at most.
Had you used such words 'dictatorial' for real Dictators of their times like Musharaf, Bush, Saddam- I could have appreciated you well. But, sorry, here it comes revolt from inner...
First rule to remeber- "Freedom of _expression does NOT mean Freedom of illegal, arrogatory words".
I am not taking bias of Mam Vijay Laxami just at all. To be honest, my relationship with Mam is same as your absolutely- GURU-SHISHYA relation that has been running since ages in pios land of nation like India. I speak here not because she has been not just only GURU of me/you, but she has been a pioneer and leader in setting examples in MNIT to reform spirit of Enginnering Education in light of basic ethical values like Honesty, punctuality, discipline, integrity.
She is not just one of architects of soft Engineers like u and me, but also has successfully re-engineering the vision and message we take to corporate world and society while exiting MNIT.
Think over minimum three times before using such irresponsible words for your Guru, A Guru is said to be next to God in simple language. These mails also goes to students who are still under-graduate in MNIT.
I ask you simple Q- If she is 'Dictatorial' in you words, then Can you go to MNIT and take lead for non-dictatorial teachership?
By this time, you might have started calculation in terms of Rupees and Dollars!!!
Does Mam Vijay is equipped with less sharp and shining intellectuals than you or me or us, so that she can not earn in Dollars?
But might be that, she strives for Doctrines and not Dollars in her life- The Doctrines that act as 'Doctors' of mental disabilities/dieseas of 'Engineers' like me and u.
She is serving the MNIT and so nation as a whole with full of her strength and energy at her personal sacrifices also.
Her shining dedication, devotion itself is witness to prove all that.
A few reminders again in last-
Like, A court without a 'code of fair punishment' is NOT court but just a yard of statues which can yield frauds like Laloo and more wild ones.A Teacher without 'code fair punishment' is NOT Teacher but just a Preacher. A Preacher jus preaches and goes away to next village for preaching., but a teacher ensures, what I preached yesterday is followed and digested well. A teacher shapes life of Disciple thru code of conduct where discipline and hard-ship are natural must.
There is nothing wrong if some hardship is introduced. Remember- Gold becomes Pure only when it is put into flames! Land becomes prodictive only when it faces heat from sun.
There is difference between Discipline and Dictatorship, punctuality and pressure.
If you get time, visit some GURUKULAs, where u will see a REAL relationship of GURU-SHISHYA. If u want some addresses, I will give.
She is not among those who can 'sell' marks in lue of CHAPALUSEE. She is brand ambasaddor of brand values that shapes future and fortune of many like us.
I request you do self-analyse and develope Vision as pure as Diamond and take ur words back.
I request all to strengthen senese of respect and devotion for Teachers who had Engineered the building blocks Engineers of nation.One can see here the Ideal Devotion to Teacher (Guru)- http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/photogallary/p19.htm
Regards to all offense to none,
Ashok
Vande Mataram.
My original mail:
From: cse_mnit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cse_mnit@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aditya pandeySent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:20 PM
To: cse_mnit@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [cse_mnit] Digest Number 497
I wont vote for that. I remember Vijay laxmi ma'ambeing a bit too strict and overly formal. To be honest-- I found her dictatorial.Teachers have their own problems/weaknesses etc., andI feel this group is more informal alumni group --involve teachers and at least those in college willnot put anything on this group.This is personal opinion -- only my view. You may/maynot subscribe to it. Please feel free to flame :)
14 comments:
Mast hai yaar tera yeh..."Vande Matram" senior... real cool stuff after long time... maja aa gaya padh ke.... bhai ek kaam kar... is mail ka reply kar... aur badle mein bhej sirf ek link....
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Dictatorial
I hope that should suffice... bol de bhaiya..galat field mein aa gaya hai wo... use kisi gandhi ashram mein kaam dhoondhna chahiye.....
Oh...the alumni group is big-- and there are bound to be different types :).
So, I had to stop the flame war -- not to ignite it more. Here is what I wrote:
Hi Ashok
I understand you got a bit annoyed. I tried to be as
non-hurting in my last mail as possible, and I love
brevity. But to avoid further flames, now I include
this disclaimer:
My last mail was not against any particular
teacher/individual and there was no intent to hurt any
individual's sentiments/beliefs (you included). It was
a just frank opinion -- you may or may not subscribe
to it.
But if we take out emotions for a minute, and then
think, wouldnt inviting teachers in this group make it
just a formal job post/announcement one?
How many people were/are open before teachers like
Mushtaq/Gopalani/Vijaylaxmi or Vineeta?
Here is what other people have responded on this. Interesting stuff that keeps alumni lists worthy reading:
Message: 2
Date: 27 Apr 2005 13:58:07 -0000
From: "Ashish Tyagi"
ashish_tyagi@rediffmail.com
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 497
Its ok...
seems adding teacher in this group is bad idea. i am ok with it. even
personally i dont want some teacher involovment in it. actually my
concern was as now most of our janta is on good position in good company and
they can help students and department in very great way then why dont
start it. I think for every college, department, company ,group big
strength be its alumni. and we have very strong alumni. it show by this
group. most of my seniors, juniors and friends are member of this group
and it show their involvment with college. but what we are doing at this
time? i see some jobs mail. very good but cant we help our student in
other way
now problem what I think we are facing is no body know how to work or
help our department or student.
Solution I think either final/third year students should to take
incentive and come with idea in which they think seniors can help. or some
teacher like gaur sir come with some idea.
thought behind adding gaur sir or vijya laxmi mam in group was , those
were very near to our senior so I think when they will put some idea
other will take it some seriously.
what is in my mind alumni can help in these way :
1 . Helping final year student to get project from their company( if it
be sponsor from company great)
2 . They can fund project requirement if college is taking too much
time to approve it and project sound good.
3. Programming Competition ( like Google done some time ago) and
there will be some prize money, this will boost students to learn something
extra than their study.
4. Scholarships ( not for needed person but for person who clear exams
)
5. help in organizing department fest and for arranging sponsorship
for it
I think option 2,3,4 need money which alumni can donate some little
money to a committee. I think seniors can give right suggesstion
Ashish Tyagi
P.S. Hey Adtiya what is mean of 497 ( is this total score which I got
in college :(( )
~ Aim to moon, if you miss star will hit
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:42:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: rohit kumar rohit_k_d@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: Digest Number 497...I was SHAKEN altogether...
Hi Friends
Read the conversation going on in the group.
I too have few views regarding this.
I presume that the very purpose of this group is to
provide a common platform for informal communication
between the present and ex-students of the department.
But including teachers in this group will make the group more
formal and students will hesitate to communicate and even joining.
Apart from this we can’t be biased for a particular teacher coz
everybody
has its own favorite teacher in the department. If there is any need to
include teachers then all the teachers should be there. I am trying to
undermining or encouraging the efforts of any particular teachers.
But, I am trying to more genuine. Because
a GURU is GURU whether it may be X or Y or anybody.
We should be respectful to everybody.
So my suggestion is either nobody or everybody.
Regards,
Rohit Kumar Dohare
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:00:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sandeep Verma sandeep_cdot@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Digest Number 497...I was SHAKEN altogether...
Dear Ashok.Kumawat
Ye kya hai bhai kyon public ko itna torture kar rahe ho… waise viru paa
ji kabhi iss type ke senti and horrible prani MREC mein khulle ghuma
karte the apne bataya nahin….. Ye WIPRO mein koi RSS ki nayi branch khuli
hai kya… Saddam-Bush-Mussaraf-Dictator Ufffhhhh kya hai bhai ye…. Abhi
to puri mail padhi bhi nahin hai ki lag raha hai ki kissi RSS ke camp
mein Khakhi nikkar aur ek danda liye khada hoon…. Yaar koi koshish kare
na to bhi itni pakau mail nahin likh sakta…. Really pakau of the year
ka award iske alawa kisi aur ne liya na to mein SHOLE wala SSOOOOOCIIDE
kar lunga…. Kya hua bhai Kumawat, lagta hai jab aap jaise mahan insaan
ne iss dharti par avtar liya, hospital ke samne se koi RSS ka march
nikal raha tha… bus kar re zalim kitna satayega!!!!!
Aur ye Ashish Tyagi bachpan mein kota ki galiyon mein murge ladaya
karta tha… aaj murgon ki jagah engineers pakad liye….. Tyagi paa ji tussi
great ho… itni senti mail bina hanse kaise likhi hogi tune mein samajh
nahin paa raha hoon…. khudne to kabhi bhi class dil se attend nahin ki
proxy ke sahare abhi tak zinda hai…. Aaj GURU dharma yaad aa raha hai….
paa ji tussi really tooooop ho…. aur ye “how to work or help our
department or student.” to paa ji too much hai…. are bhagwan ke liye tu to
help karna hi mat… nahin to bachchon ka career banane se pahle hi
barbaad jayega…. Kitne points bana bana ke likhe re tune mail mein tine
points paper mein likhta to Gaur sir kitna khush hote re…. tere ko samjhate
samjhate wo khud ye samajh gaye ki tu nahin samjhega… aur haar UK chale
gaye….. Aur teri mail mein wo last line “~ Aim to moon, if you miss
star will hit” kya hai bhai …. Yaar ye badi badi lines humein samajh mein
kum aati hai please inka bhi meaning likh diya kar….
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:01:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: shubham shubh_chat@yahoo.co.in
Subject: sorry if it hurts anyone's sentiments!!!
i beg to differ and i think that most of us in our
batch wd do the same as the situation has altogether
changed in the college.. the same vijay lakshmi which
ashok mentioned has totally changed to what aditya
says.. it's all a matter of time and it's different
people's perception.. ppl might disagree with me too
as they might have seen a totally different vl.. but
when i last left the coll she was what has already
been described by aditya.. But I agree with ashok's
idea of the 4 steps to be undertaken.So any 3rd year
guy ready to undertake the responsibility??
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Deepak Kakrania kakrania_deepak@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: sorry if it hurts anyone's sentiments!!!
I think is it right time now to create a new group in
which we can include all the teachers and Ex students
of the college.
How is the idea?
-Deepak
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: gaurav sisodia gaurav_rec2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: sorry if it hurts anyone's sentiments!!!
I totally agree with Deepak. We can have another group having studs and
teachers of Comp+IT Dept. B4 that lets prepare the draft for the usage
and types of message to be floated in that group so that praja may not
fwd/send messages at random. Each and every message should be moderated
if we really want to have healthy discussions among teachers and
students.
Comments most welcome
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sunil Khatri hi_khatri12@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Digest Number 497...I was SHAKEN altogether...
Bilkul sahi Jai Paaji,
Pata nahin Ashok Kumawat ko samajh kab aayegi.. Jub dekho, Arya Samaj,
Ved, Vande Matram (yeh sub bina kisi context ke ...) aur pata nahin kya
kya ? Lecture dene ka bada hi ganda aur ghinona shauk hai is bande ko,
lagta hai.. Kitni pakaau pakaau mails likh likh kar cse_mnit ki junta
ki naak(aankh, kaan aur pata nahin kahan-kahan) mein dum kar rakha hai.
Jub dekho, lecturebaazi... Oh Bhaai, Ashok Kumawat !! itna lecture
India Gate ke saamne, ya Jhansi ke fort ke saamne khada hokar deta to
shayad koi junta sun bhi leti..... Hamari jaan ke peechhe kyon pada hai re
bhai ? Humne tera kya bigada hai ? Beech mein Anish ne bhi Ashok ko
samjhaya tha, ki we ppl are not interested in your lecturebaazi, but Yeh
nahin sudhra.. Lahaul-Vila-Quvat...
Aur mujhe bhi bilkul vishwaas nahin ho raha hai ki vo mail Tyagi ne
likhi hai.. Kisse likhvaayee thi vo mail Tyagi.. ??
Anyways, besides, my viewpoint is theres no point in adding teachers in
this group. We can have one separate group for that, where we ppl,
current students and teachers in college can have discussions...
Hope everything in this mail is taken in right spirits...[And may Ashok
Kumawat gets some hint, what he should do in future...]
Khatri.
Pandu,
What a "PHOKUT" reply (in ur lingua). I can understand from this how devoted, honest, * ( where * (- (set of all virtues)) ,SOME people in MNIT are, besides being absolutely "PHOKUT".
Neways, it was really an interesting and long-long read.
Vaah Vaah I liked that stuff guys.I guess there is not a better way to utilize(tim pass) time than sending a mail to ur Alumni group. I guess I should also have to forward that suggestion (Teachers participation) in front of my alumni group.
I will get a hell of material to post it on my Blog :) There is nothing there right now.
So Rajiv... you never told us that you also exist on blogger...what's your blog... mere paas bahoot focut time hai.... tu nahi likhega to main hee likh doonga.... Yaar mujhe to sirf do logon ke hee reply pasand aaye... really cool... anyways... meri aaj kee ram kahani.... "Here We Go" (just FYI.. it's a slang which I've heard more than 500 times from different ppl out here in a week.. so here we go...
Today being a working week's end.. thought of seeing the downtown with lights ON... Yaar kamal kee jagah hai ye Portland...I'm on the 11th floor(might be 20 in India -height wise..)..and one side is of complete glass.. so you can have a look of whole downtown .. all big buildings like we used to see in hollywood movies (If Rajiv can remember Tanhai..song Amir was in such a room in DCH).. Everything seemed to be alien... even the SUN which do an overtime here (sets at 9pm).. I was feeling like a spy standing alone on the alien planet.. I could feel MY existence... So thought of exploring this new world.. Roamed around the streets for around 2-3 hours with Sameer till 8.30 or so.. before carr..rring back.. I saw 2-3 strip-T bars as well..baahar se.. In US, LUST has also lost its senses..I din't even feel like going inside(aroused shh..)... Hey had one demo of BOSE Home Theatre system for 20 mins... awesome.. fabulous buddy... even QUIETNESS had its own sound.. Anyways.. I have been invited for a sponsored ticket to American football by my teammate, Greg, tomorrow afternoon.. so got to read the rules first(http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/intro/) Greg is a very nice and helpful guy... He is a believer and reads Bible.. - my door to the knowledge bout American culture.. He is 27...big guy and keeps telling me cool stuff.. I enjoy his company (hey did i see raised eyebrows). Anyways.. wanna see my new car? goto: http://photos.yahoo.com/coolguy_wishy
chalo yaaron... good night..already 1.30 at my end. CAN SOMEBODY INVITE TINCHU to take some time out and autograph in our blog - the official one.
Ashok's reply. Read if you have patience for long mails...
From: ashok.kumawat@...
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:48 pm
Subject: RE: [cse_mnit] Digest Number 497...I was SHAKEN altogether... ashok.kumawat@...
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Millions Thanks dear .!
Not prolonging it, but my comment ( not personally on Aditya Pandey though at all. His intention might be not that actually) was in context of the word 'dictatotorial' which was NOT justified at ALL for Mam Vijay. To justify one's stand, one must give fair explanation. Its upto receiver - to take it lecture. If the letter seems to you beyond reach to ur inner faculties, can ignore it also. Full Stop.
By using uncivilized words, you want one to deter from path of just? Be whole world stand against me, I can not deter as long as it true.
Rather these below uncivilized words will strengthen my resolve to fight against any unjustice that come across. Thanks for that.
Dear Ashish, carry on with your Righeouteous motives as long as they serve even to one living one on earth.
A person with a genuine Purpose come across both varieties of responses. Those who find meaning acknowledge also in elevated spirits, resign rest to destiny if they not possible by u.
Do not ever get deter from reverse words like beloe- “how to work or help our department or student.” to paa ji too much hai…. are bhagwan ke liye tu to help karna hi mat… nahin to bachchon ka career banane se pahle hi barbaad jayega".
Ashish of many pious souls is with you Ashish. Go ahead like SUN - SUN never stopts its shining against any obstacles-be thunders, rains, tempests!
-Ashok
ONLY- Kewal Bhaaee Sunil, Sandeep ke liye -> Aapake personal sawaalon kaa jawab (pakau mail kyon?) denaa meraa kartvaya hai. pahale to mein aap donon kaa dil or antaharan se abhaaree hun ki aap donon ne Hindi (Rashtra Bhaasha) kaa prayog karake atma-gaurav kaa jeewant parichaya diyaa hai. Kudos! Tumane meraa kuchh nahin bigaadaa hai bhaee. Meine jaroor tumharaa shayad bigadaa hoga. aapake sawaal kaa jawab denaa meraa Kartavya hai- Hamaraa aur tumhara sambandh ek college kaa hai naa?? Par nahin apitu isase bhee uccha, saarvabhomik aur annadi sambandh hai- insaaniyat kaa. Bus ussee sambandh ke gaurav and garimaa kee rakshaa karane kaa praytan sadev karataa hun bhaee. Galat ho to bataa denaa prem se. Galtee ko baith kar sudhaar lengen- kitanee SW kee bugs bhee sudhaare hai aaj tak. Mujhe essaa mahasoos hotaa hai ki jaise jaise hamaare paas money or material badhataa gayaa, hamaraa moral utanaa he niche girataa gayaa. Eengineering ke pothe padhate padhate shayad manushyataa ke pothee ko bhool gaye. Mein soch rahaa thaa ki yah kahin mathematics ke reverse-proportional ke siddhant kee vajah se to nahin hai? NO, kaaran kuchh aur nikala- chintan kiyaa to maalum huaa. bhoole bhatake pathik ko sachchee rah mil jaaye to punya hotaa hai. Thodee Pakau cheejen bhee jarooree hai jeewan mein pakka banane ke liye- abhee pakana nahin, please. Meraa uddeshya kisee ko sataanaa kadachit nahin hai. Meraa uddeshya- ek shreshtha MokshaAnand ke raste kee aur hai jisakaa hamare rishiyon ne maarg dikhayaa hai. Personal mail likhana, kuchh aur jaanengen vichaarengen.
I dont know which batch you belong to...i passed out this year. She seemed real frustated with life these days. Heard that she has moved on to surathkal.
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